Terry Hallman's recent tirade of abuse is true to form. His attack on Jacob Smith and the publication of Jacob Smith's private personal details demonstrates Mr Hallman's unprofessional character.
It was similar attacks against those that dare raise criticism of Mr Hallman that lead to the creation of this Internet log on Mr Hallman himself. The more we looked into Mr Hallman's past the more questions and doubts were raised.
Mr Hallman is a self proclaimed "Civil Rights" activist who is illegally operating in Ukraine. His company "People Centered Economic Development" (PCED) consists of Mr Hallman, A computer and an Internet connection and a $300 a month flat in Kharkov Ukraine. He is funded by his associate and business partner Jeff Mowatt from the UK.
Terry Hallman is quick to attack his detractors and critics by falsely accusing them of working against the needs and interests of Ukraine's disadvantage.
The more we delved into Mr Hallman's activities the more unsubstantiated claims we discovered. Mr Hallman has claimed that he is actively involved in economic development and work with Ukrainian Orphanages.
In spite Mr Hallman and Mr Mowatt's claims to be working with Ukrainian Orphanages they have failed to provide the names of orphanages or any independent referees who can substantiate his involvement. in fact in all cases where he has claimed to be involved the only references we found were comments initiated or published on the Internet by Mr Hallman himself. A lone operator working outside the system and the laws of Ukraine.
Mr Hallman has claimed he is a close associate of US President Bill Clinton and he was a pioneer of micro financing economics even though there is no other recognition of this statement other then what Mr Hallman and his associates have published (Jeff Mowatt even going so far as writing himself in to the history books by publishing unsubstantiated self promotional reports on Wikipedia - something that is prohibited by the terms of the Wikipedia foundation.
Mr Hallman's ongoing abuse of his critics has extended to a campaign of further abuse and attacks against free speech and Ukraine's English language media. (Mr Hallman has been living in Ukraine since 2002 and still can not speak Ukrainian) Mr Hallman, who is a US citizen and not Ukrainian, is actively involved in political pursuits in Ukraine. He is a English editor of Maidian Web site, the voice of Pora Ukraine's political youth party. His abusive attacks, backed up by his associates, have brought For-ua.com into disrepute, caused the closure of Pravda English web, compromised Wikipedia and now he and his partner are engaged in a smear campaign and attack on KyivPost. Mr Hallman displays the symptoms of a severe case of narcissism and other psychological problems associated with substance abuse and an overinflated sence of self impotantance.
The publication of Jacob Smith and others private contact details and address is a direct attempt of intimidation and abuse.
Mr Hallman's recent attack on Jacob Smith is promoted by lies and further false claims of victimisation.
Jacob Smith's pleas for fair and just moderation of the http://en.for-ua.com/forum web Mr Hallman's playground has fallen on selective death ears.
Mr Hallman's attack on Jacob Smith was unprovoked and uncalled for.
Peter Crosby, the moderator of the for-ua.com/forum web site, has shown a consistent bias in his moderation. He has never once held Mr Hallman or Mr Mowatt to account for their abuse of other participants. Mr Hallman and Mr Mowatt, it would appear, has absolute immunity where as others who do not share the same political point of view of the online forum moderators have been subjected to ongoing abuse and harassment in an attempt to prevent their participation in the public debate.
When they failed to silence their critics they were banned by the moderators who have been very selective in who they impose a censorship ban and who they permit to stay. All claim to be advocates of a fee media and free speech.
Sunday, August 09, 2009
Terry Hallman's abuse escapes moderation
Hallman's critics respond to his callas attacks
The following extract speaks for itself and is another example of Terry Hallman's abusive and demented personality. Terry Hallman is his own worst enemy which explains much about why he is a failed entrepreneur.
Jacob Smith (Alias klapa) has rightly come out and attacked Terry Hallman for his victimisation and cowardly attack of his critics. In an article on the sale of Kyiv Post, Terry Hallman has criticised the owners of Kyivpost and anyone who supports the independence of Ukraine's media.
In the course of the debate Hallman attacked Jacob Smith and published personal contact details about Jacob's family in what was seen as an act of intimidation. (This was not the first time Terry Hallman has sought to intimidate his critics in such callas manner) It is littler wonder why Hallman has failed to attract supporters or gullible investors. Many of his past contacts have commented that his drinking and drug abuse problems may have some cause to his ongoing abuse.
Jacob Smith responds:
Exactly USX (aka Terry Halman) - ... KP is a decent paper - and we are not dependent on your petty personal battles here - you do not own this place. We can post articles from Kiev Post and at least rely on the fact that they TRY to be objective - even if they do not completely espouse the "USExpat agenda for a better world".
To indict a whole news organization simply because they allow on of your detractors to post his mind - is - quite simply - NARROW MINDED. And that IS what you are doing here.,
..
So - your retort is to threaten my personal life with "internet attacks" - that is a personal attack in my opinion - and I will report it to the moderator here - because somebody needs to "reign you in" UsExpat.
Just who do you think you are anyway?
don't ever threaten my personal family again.
US expat (Hallman) Wrote:
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> Quote:I disagree with you that it is a worthless
> newspaper
> Please clarify where I said that.
>
You as much as intimated that here:
"But, thanks for playing the always loyalist to KP by way of citing them here ten times more often than everyone else combined."
As well as here:
"I have issues with Kyiv Post with their using my name as bait for cheap hits."
We will all leave it to UsExpat to define for us all what is "real journalism" - and in the meantime aim personal attacks at those whom would disagree with the UsExpat "vision for the world" - including the definition or what is "real journalism".
It is not that it is wrong to argue that some source may or not may be accurate - what is wrong is to use personal information to threaten people - such as you have done here - and in an earlier post I could cite.
Don't worry - I've got thick skin - and many friends in Ukraine as well - just in case.
Terry Hallman replies with more abuse
You excuse yourself for your own personal attacks against me, Jeff, Pete, Tom and God alone knows how many other people? You attempt to injure my business and my friends by aiding and abetting a psychopath? And now you're upset? You poor little baby.
This isn't personal. It's just business. I have nothing against your wife, but she is listed with you in public information on the Internet -- which is what I posted. Public information. I made no threat against your personal family, nor you, unless public information is a threat to you. Your wife has the ready option of no-fault divorce, just in case, in North Carolina. She's protected financially in that regard. A restraining order will provide physical protection.
The whole idea of this message you have posted IS personal - and WAY out of line with what would be considered to be "political debate".
Enough is enough!
One of US must go - it will probably be me - but I will say again - if you persist to post the "public information" that you "mine" - don't think it will not fall back on you.
Keeping in mind - that I have "public information" - because I have "a life".
Unlike some others.
I will further say - the only way you possibly were able to ferret out my personal information was by your access to my email from my Forum.UA login.
Thus - Forum.UA might be liable here.
You had better CEASE AND DESIST from this moment forward with any references to personal information, else I will consider action against Forum.ua if the moderators do not step in to stop your scurrilous threats when you don't get your way.
The only place here I have ever injected my family is in the "Kiev Cafe" - which - as far as I am am concerned - is "off-limits" for political fodder.
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I will further say - the only way you possibly were able to ferret out my personal information was by your access to my email from my Forum.UA login.
Thus - Forum.UA might be liable here.
Hardly. To clarify, this is from my inbox here:Quote:
Once again @#$%& CALL
From: klapa
To: US expat
Date: 09/22/06 07:38AM
Well - the private message must not have made it - you liar - you said you had "modem problems".
So here it is you @#$%& liar.
919-210-2420
919-462-9359
Call!
One minute later:Quote:
Call you ASSHOLE!
From: klapa
To: US expat
Date: 09/22/06 07:39AM
Well - the private message must not have made it - you liar - you said you had "modem problems".
So here it is you @#$%& liar.
919-210-2420
919-462-9359
Call
There's no need to hack my way into my own account, FYI.
Those messages were your first contact with me. What was it you wanted to talk about?
Now we know Hallman is the one lying here.
Simple - as I said - you inject personal attacks that are unwarranted and against the forum rules.
You have been reported - and we will see how fair the moderation system here is - as far as I am concerned - you should be banned.
You are the one whom has made this "personal" - by bringing into any reference to Kiev Post your "angst" against the fact that they allow your "arch-enemy" - whom actually lives in the same city as you - to express his opinion.
When someone such as I call you out on it - you threaten some vague "exposure" of personal information on the internet.
Expose away UsExpat - if that helps to placate your poor non-existence.
This is a fabrication - and a blatant abuse of the rules of this forum.
I demand this poster to be banned immediately.
Let us see that the rules, as set forth in the "policy", are enforced.
In a typicaly derranged and sick reply Hallman responds with more abuse. (Moderator Peter Crosby remain on the sidelines allowing Hallman's abuse to continue.
Quote:
Simple - as I said - you inject personal attacks that are unwarranted and against the forum rules.
That is quite an interesting phenomenon called psychological projection. If interested, wiki has a pretty good introductory article about it. [en.wikipedia.org] It's also sometimes referred to more informally as "pot calling the kettle black."Quote:
You have been reported
Yikes! And, uhhmm, I reported myself to moderators as soon as I posted the part that I unilaterally redacted after two days.Quote:
- and we will see how fair the moderation system here is - as far as I am concerned - you should be banned.
Well, as far as you're concerned, it's okay to haul corpses you shot dead, to inside your home to make it look like self-defense.
klapa Wrote:
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> This is a fabrication - and a blatant abuse of the
> rules of this forum.
>
> I demand this poster to be banned immediately.
>
> Let us see that the rules, as set forth in the
> "policy", are enforced.
>
>
>
> Edited 1 times. Last edit at 08/06/09 02:22AM by
> klapa.
Here are the basic rules as given to me by a previous editor:
A moderator will be a watchdog for violations of the simple rules: no copy-paste, no obscene words, no personal attacks, no flaming, no flood.
For the above: you make personal attacks, and you flood.
Safe in the undertsanding that he has immunity and will not be held to accoutn for his abuse Hallman continues his abuse (rfemember he has a pattern of such abuse)
I told moderators that I will do what is needed in self-defense. You were one of the authors of the "opinion" that Kyiv Post allowed to be posted on their site, which you're suddenly trying to pin exclusively on v.d. Craap now that the noose is tightening by your own hand. That "opinion" was a smear site loaded with little more than libel and personal attacks. And, for the nothing it's worth, was a direct violation of Kyiv Post's own rules. But they needed the hits, and now we know why per the topic of this thread.
As I have said - you had better stop the personal attacks.
I will "rest my piece" there - yet I do have options in Ukraine should you persist.
Your biggest mistake might be to underestimate my "reach". I'll leave that for you to decide - and for me to arrange.
I will just say that you better stop dissing my family and publishing my personal info - and - for now - I will leave it at that.
Roll it over in you mind - UsExCraps. Who knows what the future might hold, eh?
Jacob Smiths plea to the bias moderators falls on death ears as the abuse and intimidation continues
I have asked and I do ask again - where are the moderators of this forum to stop such obvious personal attacks?
This is a "forum" that is biased towards a "charity business" that UsExFart is involved in - thus he can "see no evil and speak no evil" as far as the moderators here are concerned.
Better I am gone from here as this is not a fairly moderated place - just a place to gather financial information from the posters and then "mine" them.
Yet I have a point - the moderators here BETTER well delete the personal information posted by the old sod UsExFart.
In the meantime - I will find my own "permanent" remedy for the problem.
Having attacked and abused his critics Hallman then claims he is a victim and in need to protection
Your last two messages sound suspiciously like personal threats. Coming from you, with the violent attitudes you've communicated, violent personal threats sounds like a safe assumption. It would be up to a judge to decide. A US judge. Communicating threats is a US federal crime.It is becoming more and more apparent that Terry Hallman has been suffering another bout of on substance abuse.
You've also committed assault in your previous two messages:Quote:
Assault and battery is the combination of the crimes of threat (assault) and actual beating (battery).
An assault is:
1. An unlawful attempt, coupled with apparent ability, to commit a violent injury on the person of another; or
2. An intentional, unlawful threat by word or act to do violence to the person of another, coupled with an apparent ability to do so, and doing some act which creates a well-founded fear in such other person that such violence is imminent.
[definitions.uslegal.com]
Your clear and pronounced violent tendencies are cause for concern to people in general. If I were in moderators' spot right now, I'd be standing back and letting you finish hanging yourself in the interest of public safety.
Whatever - drunk UsExFart - your only life is the life of others..
The Pot calls the Kettle black (LOL)
Hmmmmm. You said you were leaving.
The 'drunk' comment sounds like another pot kettle black thing. Fueled by --- Mr. Jack Daniels of Kentucky?
You seem to be having a psychotic episode this evening.
Well, actually "UsExPat" - I have to get up everyday and go to an ACTUAL job - where I am depended upon to perform an ACTUAL function - and actually participate in a "business" that has a "bottom line". Many people depend on my designs and unlike you I don;t have the "luxury" of government grants waiting on charity to deliver some "service" for which there is really no profit motive nor "product" - only overloaded administration "expenses" from the many "hanger's on" reaping inflated salaries from their "humanitarian efforts" - such as yourself.
Based on what I have read - the one "in the bottle here" is quite obviously you.
Not to mention that you seem to have time 24/7 to "contribute" your tripe. That alone says plenty about your current "work ethic" - or rather lack of it.
I'm sure another government grant is just "right around the corner", eh? Else - good old social security will suffice - yet there's that nasty new law now, eh? The one about having to leave for six months?
Oh well - I'm sure you've got that all figured out already, right?
Getting very petty Hallman responds with further abuse.
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I don;t have the "luxury" of government grants
(Don't is spelled with an apostrophe, not a semicolon)
Nor do I. It's something you and yours fabricated and posted as fact. It's called a "straw-man argument", a logical fallacy. I've already told you I won't argue those with you.
The rest of the message was an ad hominem attack, another logical fallacy.
Terry Hallman's "Business" partner and lover comes to the rescue and joins Terry Hallman in further abuse ignoring the fact that this unsolicted attacked was initiated by Terty Hallman himself. (The moderator Peter Crosby selectuve absence from the scean is noted)
Me neither. No grants and the right to do whatever we choose with earned income. That choice is focussed on trying to help vulnerable children in whatever way we see fit.
But then you know that already, doing your best as a member of Aspergers Anonymous to defame that effort and harm that business.
Clearly you've no more idea of what you're talking about now than you did then
What else do you do, other than trying to piss on the shoes of others to justify your existence
It's your name featured on the blog, clown. He's putting you in the frame for what he hasn't got the courage to write in his own name.
Go figure why he's got a 'legal representative" who's a barrister concealing her own identity to break the rules and threaten a member of the public with litigation. Ask yourself why she deleted that genealogy page referring to her "dysfunctional family".
Three years ago, few knew the extent to which children were being harmed. That's no longer the case since Albert Pavlov and Mykhailo Syrota spoke out.
By that token those impeding or obstructing anyone calling for reform are in their own right harming children.
...
So continue with your threats and demands. Neither of us are answerable to you, whereas it's becoming increasing clear that you and your sick puppeteer have much to answer for.
Update: The offensive published attack on Kyivpost and Klapa has been removed but Mr Hallman continues to post unabated his self promotional activities. (Any opther person who had breached the forum guidlines would have been banned but Mr Hallman has protective immunity)
Saturday, April 25, 2009
Jeff Mowatt - NINJA Exec exposed pumping Wikipedia
As part of their strategy of self promotion Mr Mowatt has decided to add his own NINJA company to the Wikipedia listings to self promote and pump the Internet.
Self promotion is prohibited by Wikipedia's guidelines BUT this has not stopped Jeff Mowatt from trying to have his company listed as a "successful" economic development enterprise listing his Business Partner Terry Hallman as a "Pioneer of People Centred Economics" a brand of "Not for profit" or as Mr Hallman and Mr Mowatt refer to themselves as "profit for poverty". A way of promoting yourself as a charity when you are not a charity thus to avoiding the rules and regulations that would otherwise govern a charitable organisations.
It is actions like Mr Mowatt's promotion this that brings Wikipedia into disrepute.
The inclusion and reference in Wikipedia would give them some prestige and recognition.would no doubt also be used to try and give some form of credibility and legitimacy to Mr Hallman and Mr Mowatt's specious claims of managing a successful development company in Ukraine and Russia.
Wikipedia have been altered of this scam and breach of their guidelines and a request has been made to have Mr Mowatt's self promotion removed.
Wikipedia is also open to liability should it allow Mr Mowatt's listings to remain published as it would be liable for not having undertaken any due diligence checks of the publish claims made by Mr Mowatt about the success of their company, particularly given that they had been altered about the beaches of their own policy .
Recent changes to Ukraine's immigration laws and business visa requirements will hopefully make it more difficult for foreign companies such as Mr Mowatt and Mr Hallman's to operate in Ukraine. Ukraine will now require more information and have the means of better monitoring the activates of foreign investors and business men operating in Ukraine to ensure that their activities are legitimate and in full compliance with Ukrainian laws.
A review of People Centred Economic Development has shown that they have no registered office, no substantial or recorded income, no jobs or no assets in Ukraine. They are a virtual company. Not one of the claimed successes as documented in this blog could be independently verified.
Mr Hallman, a previously registered company director in the UK, was expelled from Russia and the UK.
The only references available are derived from postings made by Mr Mowatt and Mr Hallman themselves. No doubt they were looking to use Wikipedia to add to their claims as being a successful "International Corporation executives"
Friday, February 20, 2009
Terry Hallman pumping the internet with no independent verification available to back up his claims of success
Terry Hallman is a prolific writer on the Internet as can be seen if you do a google search on his name and Ukraine.
Mr Hallman comments on anything and everything he can in order to get his name printed and searchable on the Internet. At first glance you would be forgiven into thinking this guy is out there seriously getting involved, but if you take time to do some independent research and look further into his postings you soon realise that much of what he has to say is highly questionable and exaggerated self-promotion. He draws upon research and reports of others published on the Internet and in doing so seeks to mislead by associating his name with their work and indirectly with their organisation.
Mr Hallman and his associates are pushing a new ism called Capitalist-Socialism pushing the idea of making profit for poverty (or as we prefer to refer to it as making profit from poverty). Capitalist-Socialism heavily draws on ideas surrounding the benefits of microfinancing.
Microfinancing is not new it has been around for sometime. What Terry Hallman falsely claims is that he was the pioneer of this new "ism". But research shows this is far from the truth.
All of Mr Hallman's claimed achievements such as the Tomsk and Crimean projects are not independently verifiable or backed by anyone other then what he and his associates write themselves. Most of the information available is cross referenced to many of his numerous positing on the Internet and his web site p-ced.com and profitfrompovety.com. A circle of cross references.
There are no independent referees that can be called upon to verify his claims, It is this lack of independent verification along with his concerns about his "company" that started to alert us that something was not right.
The Tomsk project
We looked into the Tomsk project which Mr Hallman claimed to be involved in and was a huge success. When you read the summary on his web page you begin to notice what's missing rather then what is there. There is no mention exactly of Mr Hallman or his companies role in the project. In fact if you search for Terry Hallman and the Tomsk project there is no mention of Terry Hallman or P-CED anywhere other then on his posts, which we thought was strange. What position did Terry Hallman have with this project and how is it that there is no independent information backing up his involvement with the project.
If you follow the links published you end up with a non-existent web site or information about Tomsk but nothing about Terry Hallman and the project itself.
We searched the USAID database and again could not find any mention of Mr Hallman or his company on the USAID site. You would think that such a successful and important project would have a write up and at least appear on the USAID annual reports. Nothing was found. We wrote to USAID asking for verification and confirmation as to Mr Hallman's association with USAID. We received a letter on October 6, 2006 stating that the USAID office had no knowledge of Terry Hallman or his company.
The Crimean project
Similar experience with the Crimean project. Again no independent referees or information to confirm the claimed successes of this project.
What we did discover was that the Crimean partners, who Mr Hallman required in order to secure any funding, whilst interested in the project did not want to work with Mr Hallman who was trying to secure a managerial position over the project. The project never got off the ground, It never developed beyond concept stage. There was no detailed business plan, no administration, no management or infrastructure or any financing of the project. Having been denied a job or support Mr Hallman then sort to claim a project commission fee of US$15,000 for his unsolicited work in drafting the concept paper. When this payment, which was equivalent to three years average annual salary in Ukraine, was refused Mr Hallman acted to exercised his "intellectual property rights" and withdraw the project from further consideration. Terry Hallman claimed that the reason for the withdrawal was due to corruption associated with his allocated Crimean partner. Whilst the allegation of corruption is plausible there is no evidence available that backup or supports Mr Hallman's claims of corruption other then his own statements.
The project most defiantly was not a success and never received funding or approval from USAID (see above).
P-CED
Mr Hallman has been living in Ukraine since 2002 apart from some time he spent in London (he was later excluded and denied entry into the United Kingdom) and in Prague around 2003-2004 he returned to Ukraine with limited funding and registered a company in Kharkiv (No: 33607852). His company is nothing more then a computer, a business card and a rubber stamp. P-CED has not office, no assets and no capital investments in Ukraine. Mr Hallman lives in a $180 apartment in Kharkiv.
Terry Hallman had previously registered a company "People-Cantered Economic Development Limited (P-CED) whilst he was living in London. (This company was deregistered in 2005 following Mr Hallman's exclusion from the United Kingdom).
In May 2005 Mr Jeff Mowatt a business associate of Mr Hallman registered a new company People-Centered Economic Development Limited UK at the same address as Mr Hallman's deregistered company was listed.
Director of International Economic Development Company in Ukraine
Mr Hallman presents himself as a founding director of an international economic development company based in Ukraine. Anyone reading this statement would at first form the impression that Mr Hallman was someone of considerable experience and success in business but this is far from the truth or the full picture.
When about his company and its registration, offices and achievements Mr Hallman with the support of Mr Jeff Mowatt retaliated with a campaign of abuse, lies and misinformation attacking those that asked questions challenging the claims and the veracity being made. The aim of this attack is two fold, first it was to try and deflect attention away from the questions asked and issues surrounding the activities of Mr Hallman and his company, second it was to try and dis-encourage any person from asking questions publicly.
If the questions continued, as we and others, who were independent, continued to ask questions on for-ua.com pubkic forum, Mr Hallman and his associates began a campaign abuse by falsely claiming that the questions asked are personal and part of a campaign of hate towards Mr Hallman himself. The reaction to this ongoing abuse and his refusal to answer questions aksed creates a flame with each parting becoming embroiled in an online argument. There aim of this is to have them gang up and then seek to have the person asking the questions banned from speaking out, backup by none other then the group itself. This is exactly what happened on the For-ua.com site where Terry Hallman, Jeff Mowatt, Philip Giddings, Tom and Peter Crosby (who was mislead into supporting Mr Hallman) went on the attack. More on this issue later. anyone who questioned Mr Hallman was subjected to this gang abuse which naturally discouraged anyone from asking questions. Its a form of censorship and the questions that were originally asked go unanswered and they avoid open scrutiny and accountability that otherwise would have exposed them for what they are.
Summary
We could find no means of independent verification of Mr Hallman or his company claims of success. We know that his company is nothing much more then a computer, a business card and a rubber stamp. It has no assets, no offices and no capital investments in Ukraine. Mr Hallman has been in Ukraine since 2002 and has had no success in establishing his business. Mr Hallman continues to pump the Internet with stories and articles about his political activities and ideas in the hope that he can create a favourable impression. His specious claims of being able to secure millions of dollars in funding are unsupported. Most of what he has claimed is exaggerated and embellished beyond belief.
Monday, November 10, 2008
P-CED's 'Social Enterprize expooed"
The following independent discussion was recorded online about Terry's Hallman and Jeff Mowatt's con.
It makes a telling reading and exposes just the tip of the iceberg of these guys delusions. Spruiking the Social Enterprise
Friday, May 16, 2008
Internet costs in Ukraine fall
Cost of broad band Internet access in Ukraine falls. 90UAH a month for unlimited high speed Internet is radialy available via ADSL or direct cable.
meanwhile Terry Hallman continues to mislead his business partner Jeff Mowatt who continues to pump their dodgy Marshal Internet Plan falsely claiming High Internet costs and vast Million dollar profits available for the plucking. The make us rich so we can donate money to Ukraine orphanages.
It is difficult to know if Jeff Mowatt is being conned by Hallman or both Arte actively engaged in a exercise of self deceit.
Saturday, May 12, 2007
Spruking the Social Enterprise Project on a dating forum
Below is an extract from a recent Forum discussion published between May 9, 2007 and May 12, 2007. It was initiated by Jeff Mowatt published on a forum about dating Russian Women
Jeff Mowatt "Social Enterprise" Project
« on: May 09, 2007, 04:45:14 PM »
Alfie, I'm a little surprised at your comments about human rights activists.
The great tragedy I find with this situation is that for the Western world, the disgust at what appears on their screens outweighs any real effort to tackle this at source.
It's the result of poverty and corruption, rendering humans including children as saleable commodities. Especially vulnerable are those on the streets in preference to institutional care.
Human rights activists are trying to do something about this, and they have a lot of antagonism from those who can't contemplate what's really going on or admit to it, believe me.
I've described such a campaign here. Clearly it's not been understood to the point of snide comments Par for the course, unfortunately.
http://www.russianwomendi...um/index.php?topic=4663.0
ScottInCrimea « Reply #1 on: May 09, 2007, 06:53:53 PM » Quote
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Jeff, as I understand it, the campaign you describe is an effort to estabish a profitable IP company in Ukraine with an estimated profit of $700 million a year with the stated purpose of investing a certain percentage in helping to solve some of the social problems of Ukraine. Is that correct?
Jeff Mowatt « Reply #2 on: May 10, 2007, 05:41:59 AM » Quote
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That's part of it Scott. There are multiple components.
Primary social object is childcare reform, to house all of Ukraine's institutionalised children in family type group care homes as a precursor to possible later adoption where Ukrainians are financially encouraged and foreigners are motivated.
Rural broadband infrastructure deployed in collaboration with democratic activist business network to yeild ROI for deployment in the primary object.
A National scale microcredit program based on our previous successful pilot in Tomsk.
A faculty in a major university to study and promote social enterprise.
All of the above managed by Ukrainian/US collaboration at government level, who will manage all funds.
Thus propose elements which are less than full cost recovery, full cost recovery and more than full cost recovery in combination to return all investment in a 5 year project.
As you can imagine, there are those who would go to great lengths to separate the profitable and non-profitable elements and this is the root of our difficulty in countering a smear campaign.
Jeff
Kuna « Reply #3 on: May 10, 2007, 11:04:06 AM » Quote
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Jeff,
$700 million per annum in profit???
How big is your WiMax network going to be? At 50km radius per cell and a maximum capacity of 255 users (even forgetting about the contention ratio arguments) you'll need A LOT of customers to achieve such a profit!
Will the network be meshed?
How many customers are you projecting?
What the average revenue per customer?
Are you charging for data or is it a flat rate per end-point?
Are you able to manage latency so you can run voice and mission critical applications over your network?
Who's paying the "several" thousand dollars per end-point for infrastructure required?
What life have you estimated for your hardware infrastructure?
Who is backhauling your data from each cell and at what cost?
Have you considered that many of the "target customers" in remote and regional Ukraine don't have PC's... and possibly can't afford to purchase PC's?
Will your services be pre-paid or post paid?
How will you do your billing?
How will you collect customer payments?
I'd love to see your business plan... If you can turn a $700M profit out of wireless technology in any year over the next 50 I'll be the first to congratulate you.
Mind boggling stuff!
Kuna
Jeff Mowatt « Reply #4 on: May 10, 2007, 11:42:35 AM » Quote
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Yes, it is mind boggling and though I'd like to answer these questions it comes back to my earlier comment, that the commercial component would be very attractive to those who don't have similar objectives. Therefore I can't reproduce the 40 page business plan which we've developed over the last 3 years in public at present. This may change within a few months depending on progress.
All this depends on approval from both sides, the total value is $1.5bn of which infrastructure investment represents but one part. I can say that given the pipeline constraints in Ukraine and the need to deploy in a short timescale, that it's a VSAT based approach, otherwise the rest remains confidential.
Jeff
ScottInCrimea« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2007, 11:55:23 AM » Quote
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Jeff,
You and TH are soliciting donations and government funds under the guise of promoting social reform in Ukraine for the purpose of funding a private business. You have specifically avoided making this a non-profit organization with the admitted goal of getting around the regulations and because you don't want it to be transparent.
Kuna's questions and comments show clearly that you have no business plan and that it is all smoke and mirrors.
I fail to see how writing slanderous articles and making inflammatory unsubstantiated statements about the conditions of children in Ukraine would make the government receptive to working with you. I live in Simferopol, have been to the orphanage there and know first hand that what was written was not based on the reality I know.
I also am very familiar with the "major university" that is claimed will be involved to "study and promote social enterprise. I have been a volunteer consultant and conducted seminalrs at the Crimean Engineering and Pedagogal Institute here in Simferopol and know that they have no interest in your project.
Bringing attention to the needs of disadvantaged children in Ukraine is a noble venture, but when their plight is used as a tool to create a private company and generate personal profit, that is abuse of the highest level.
As far as there being a smear campaign. I have no connection to anyone you claim is involved in this vast conspiracy. I just know crap when I smell it. Maybe you could clear it all up by giving reasonable answers to the questions and comments posted by another concerned individual:
Terry Hallman was not only expelled from Russia but also the UK.
His company People-centred Economic Development (P-CED) registered in the UK was deregistered in August this year.
His claims of being poisoned by the KGB are unsupported by facts and evidence.
His involvement and role in relation to the Tomsk microfinance project is in question as he or his organisation are not mentioned anywhere except in their own postings.
P-CED is not registered or recorded on the UA Aid web site www.usaid.org
The claims of Mr Hallman's influence with the US Government is dubious if not outright deceitful.
There is no independent accredited referees to back up Mr Hallman and Mr Mowatt's claims and outrageous statements about Death Camps for Children.
Not one accredited welfare organisation has supported Mr Hallman or Mr Mowatt
P-CED never received funding or approval for the Crimea project by US Aid. no mention of the project or Terry Hallman in their annual reports. www USAid.org
P-CED has no assets, no office and no capital investment in Ukraine
Mr Hallman claims he had a wife named Olga who lived in Russia. He was never married to a Russian women named Olga..
Terry Hallman makes numerous statements and unfounded allegations on the maidan web site. Statements that can not be questioned or challenged because Mr Hallman is the English moderator on that web site.
Jeff Mowatt « Reply #6 on: May 10, 2007, 12:44:02 PM » Quote
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Scott, It seems that most of these assertions arise from misunderstanding. P-CED was a pioneer in advocacy for social purpose business. We are not seeking funds, but delivering a strategy plan for Ukraine's government to use as a template for reforms based on these principles.
We have no contact with Simferopol university, the report we reproduced was issued by a credible US based NGO who we would like to name but cannot because they wish to remain anonymous. TH has never worked for USAID, he sourced the Tomsk project and was paid a consultancy fee. He was not expelled from Russia but found himself unable to obtain another visa. As you will have read there are all kinds of restrictions being made in this area by the Putin regime. He came to the UK as a visitor under the visa waiver program declaring his intentions fully and was refused permission to re-enter alongside me when we went out of country to renew on expiry. This is common practice for many expat travellers. Americans in Ukraine do it, by visiting Poland.
We have a company registered in Ukraine which is funded by revenues earned in the UK. Our detractor knows this to be the case because we have a copy of a request from him to provide business visa support. TH was not paid for the Crimea project because he blocked it personally objecting to corruption.
The fact that we have no investment in Ukraine illustrates we are not there to profit from our presence, not that we are criminally inclined.
Olga was to all extents and purposes his common law wife, she worked alongside him in Crimea and now remains in Russia where he cannot return. I have corresponded with her personally.
We do not moderate the Maiden website but have editorial permission to post and deal with derogatory anonymous comments.
Now ask yourself this. Anyone who suspects the intentions of an organisation operating in Ukraine with UK funding has every opportunity to contact criminal authorities in their own name and report it. So why would someone want to do this and not be identified?
I will not answer questions which reveal the commercial details of a business strategy plan, nor would any potential competitor.
You may consider that crap, but you don't seem to have grasped what is going on here.
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Methinks this Mowatt dude is a lazy bum who won't get a real job and is trying to con naive and good natured people out of their hard earned money to support himself and his buddies lifestyle, whatever that is..........also seems that he has a masters degree from Propaganda Bull**** University..............
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Jeff, there just seem to be too many "misunderstandings". Being banned from two countries doesn't provide a good reference, especially one being the UK if you are an american.
Thanks for you r reply. You answered some questions but left many unanswered.
My assumption regarding the University in Simferopol may have been wrong. It is a Tatar University and your associate discusses trying to work with the Tatars in Crimea. It was the most logical "major university" I could think of. Unfortunately, it appears that the Tatar community now refuses to work with him because of another "misunderstanding".
The problem from my perspective is that there is way to much explaining to do. This is due to the embellishments and exaggerations of your partner of his involvement with certain projects, his influence in government circles, the level of his international business involvement, etc. and his inability or unwillingness to provide references or documentation of any of his claims.
My suggestion is that if you are truly interested in helping the people of Ukraine, you need to associate with different people. Those you are involved with now seem to leave a trail of "misunderstandings" and ill-will behind them wherever they go.
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Human Rights Watch source, fully congruent with the Ukrainian trip report and recent discoveries in Romania:
http://hrw.org/reports98/russia2/Russ98d-07.htm
What you think is your problem but kindly keep such insults to yourself, none of us look better by pissing on someone else's shoes.
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I don't deny that problems of care for the severely retarded/malformed exist in the FSU, what I DO question is YOUR credibility...........I have had too much involvement putting MY OWN time and money into helping alleviate problems in this area to put ANY stock into you or your "group".............
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You haven't been asked to contribute - We don't advocate charity. All funds to maintain this project have been raised from my own business resources. What reason do you have for assuming otherwise other than it offends you somehow?
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I've reread my post carefully and can't seem to find any insults to you there. Please enlighten me.
Your link is to a report that primarily cites anonymous sources in an interview conducted in 1998, 9 years ago. It discusses a psychoneurological institute for children, not the typical orphanage. In addition, it discusses conditions in Russia, not Ukraine. so the conclusions that you are trying to draw are that all orphanages have similar conditions as the psych facilities, that Ukraine is the same as Russia, and that nothing has changed in the past 9 years.
I live in Ukraine. I'm not blind to the problems. I encourage those who in good faith seek to help. I just don't see the efforts of your group being in good faith and I will fiercely protect those of my new home from outside abuse under whatever guise. I'll put my efforts behind those who have a proven track record, those who are transparent and those who have no ulterior motives such as making a profit off the backs of the poor. The sincere groups leave a trail of good will, better understanding and positive impressions. So far your group has failed on all counts.
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Quote from: ScottinCrimea on May 10, 2007, 02:10:00 PM
I encourage those who in good faith seek to help. I just don't see the efforts of your group being in good faith and I will fiercely protect those of my new home from outside abuse under whatever guise. I'll put my efforts behind those who have a proven track record, those who are transparent and those who have no ulterior motives such as making a profit off the backs of the poor. The sincere groups leave a trail of good will, better understanding and positive impressions. So far your group has failed on all counts.
Amen Scott!
Jeff Mowatt « Reply #14 on: May 10, 2007, 03:11:50 PM » Quote
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Not you Scott, the comment preceding it:
"Methinks this Mowatt dude is a lazy bum who won't get a real job and is trying to con naive and good natured people out of their hard earned money to support himself and his buddies lifestyle, whatever that is..........also seems that he has a masters degree from Propaganda Bull**** University....."
It is a response not worthy of a serious discussion forum, though unfortunately, typical of what must be endured by anyone who constrains themselves to reasoned discussion. To me, it says "I'm confronted by something I don't understand, can't be bothered to learn about it and resort to insinuation and insult to register my point"
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Back to you Scott. Once again no-one is asking for your money. You refer to a track record based on a series of allegations from an anonymous source and accept it verbatim.
You might have referred to the agency owner in Kharkiv last year, I believe it was Jack Bragg, who we found Alexey an interpreter for. find Alexey and ask who funded his scholarship. Find David, the Ugandan medical student helping and being supported by us in Kharkiv. Find those who have met us and know what we've been doing. Then perhaps you'll be in a position to pass judgement.
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Give me some links or e-mail addresses and I will be happy to contact them. Give me some references and specifics that will allow me to check things out other than quotes from your business associates. It seems that is all others have asked you to do. I'm a big fan of independent verification. It shouldn't be too hard based on all the charity, government and business connections that have been claimed.
You want me to be in a "better" position to pass judgement, then you'll need to help me out here.
It seems that if you give citations based on anonymous sources, you shouldn't have any problem with the opposition using them.
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Well Scott, I know Terry is still in contact with Inci Bowman of the International Commitee for Crimea, whose contact information will be found on the link from our website http://www.iccrimea.org/scholarly/economicdev.html
You can try the Clinton Presidential Library as I have done for a copy of Terry's poverty whitepaper. They will most likely tell you as they told me, that it's under the President's control and they can't release it.
I've pledged as has Terry not to reveal the name of the NGO visting internats, their staff names or the places they operate. He's had meetings with them in Kharkiv which included representation from the University of California. They also demand non-disclosure.
I can ask Terry for contact details for those in Kharkov providing support and refer you to Ukraine's government portal and the recent announcement of 400 rehab centres which cannot be needed unless there real problems to tackle and only we have been raising the profile of this issue.
I'll be able to get the contact details of a supporter who dropped the report on the office of Unicef in Kyiv who promised to respond with investigative action and yet haven't.
So, in some ways I can comply, in others we're hampered by those who acknowledge the problem but won't go on record. I believe Terry may be able to offer the names of those who flatly refuse access to internats.
So we're hampered to a degree but haven't concealed anything about our operations or identity so can't ourselves be accused of being anonymous.
Kuna « Reply #18 on: May 10, 2007, 08:31:30 PM » Quote
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Jeff,
In short... its impossible to make a $700 million profit from such a network because it's IMPOSSIBLE to deploy the network in a commercially viable way.
This is why...
WiMAX can provide connectivity within a cell that has a range of approximately 50km... BUT you need to backhaul the data via an alternate infrastructure (either cabled or long range wireless like microwave) to actually CONNECT to the Internet.
I would suggest no such infrastructure exists in Ukraine otherwise they would have affordable broadband (copper re-use technologies like xDSL) available throughout the major centres already.
Think about it... How do you get your data from the WiMAX cell to the Internet when there's no Internet connectivity available?
We face the exact same problems in remote and regional Australia. The major centres have infrastructure available to backhaul data from a localised wireless network, but the areas that have no adequate broadband can't benefit from WiMAX because you simply can't get the data out!
Now you'll probably say there's enough people in larger centres to make this profitable but we both know that's not true. Even if you only wanted to deliver the network in Kiev you won't be able to compete on price because an existing cabled infrastructure will always be cheaper than a newly implemented wireless infrastructure because the wireless network will still rely on the cabled network to get data out to the Internet.
It just doesn't work...
You can avoid the need for cabled backhaul if you build a meshed network (some pretty cool technology has been developed in New Zealand for this) but a network of that size would introduce new problems like extended network latency and quality degradation because of the high number of concurrent users.Such a network would be an Internet only (email and browsing) service. You would not be able to deliver voice and therefore your revenue projections will only be a fraction of a voice AND data network because voice spend far exceeds data revenue.
It's impossible (at this time) to deliver QOS over that type of network therefore there will be NO voice.
There ARE backhaul alternatives and local area options available and commercially viable, but it's not cheap or easy... If you give me $1million I can tell you what those options are.
WiMAX is only going to be a solution for Telco's to resolve localised network issues like the deployment of RIM technologies (See Telstra in Australia and the disaster they've created through legacy cost cutting) and even then the costs will have to be subsidised by the cabled network revenue.
Sorry, you just can not deliver what you promise!
Kuna
ScottInCimea « Reply #19 on: May 10, 2007, 09:02:33 PM » Quote
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So Jeff, you are unable to give me a single personal, business or government reference either in the US, the UK, Russia or Ukraine? How about the representatives from the University of California? I can't imagine they would insist on anonymity. That makes no sense at all. I have some contacts there so I can certainly follow up on whatever you provide.
The one name you did provide was Inci Bowman from the International Committee for Crimea who did an interview with him in 2004. I have written her asking for information and if there are any problems I can use my contacts in Tatar government and educational circles to follow up.
How can any company expect to build a business and receive support if they are unable to provide even the simplest of references?
A report dropped off at Unicef and a poverty white paper that President Clinton is keeping under wraps, both written by your associate, show your efforts to move your agenda forward but do not describe the high US government contacts that your associate claims.
As far as you yourselves being anonymous, every scheme needs a front man. To be honest, I haven't seen any examples of you misrepresenting yourself, only your enterprise and your associate in his false and exaggerated claims about himself, his contacts, and his accomplishments.
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Quote from: Jeff Mowatt on May 09, 2007, 04:45:14 PM
Human rights activists are trying to do something about this, and they have a lot of antagonism from those who can't contemplate what's really going on or admit to it, believe me.
You can certainly say that again. People who take pot shots from right field at organizatons and individuals who are trying to make a difference truly puzzle me. If they don't care--fine. But just stay out of the way of those that do.
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Quote from: Simoni on May 10, 2007, 09:26:08 PM
You can certainly say that again. People who take pot shots from right field at organizatons and individuals who are trying to make a difference truly puzzle me. If they don't care--fine. But just stay out of the way of those that do.
Pardon???
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Simoni, Where the heck did that come from? I don't think you have done your homework on this group or you would not consider them activists. In my view, activists have a moral agenda, not a financial one.
Ho dare you say I don't care? I certainy will have no financial gain from this dispute, but I certainly care about the people in Ukraine he is trying to profit from, and no, I will not step aside and just watch it happen. So how's that for activism?
By the way, the e-mail I sent to Inci Bowman was returned as undeliverable so I am working on contacting her. What I did learn is that the International Committee for Crimea is an internet discussion group whose goal is in promoting the Tatar cause, nothing more. It is made up of members who do not live in Crimea and they do not represent anyone on an official basis.
I also learned that the interview with TH that Jeff provided the link for was initiated at his request, not theirs, and that it was not conducted in person. In fact, he has never met Inci Bowman. Still, it sounds impressive until the facts are known. It's this kind of embellishment that bothers me. I look forward to chatting with Ms Bowman to learn more.
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Scott, When i wrote last night I didn't understand Mr Bowman's participation in Crimean affairs. You are right he is not on the ground there and merely took an interest on discovering the project in Crimea.
Please understand this. We work as a social enterprise not a charity. The entire ethos of this is that we do not solicit funds from either public or private sources to drive our efforts. It comes from our own resources which are entirely ours to use as we see fit. We are not attempting to pull public funds for our use, all such initiatives operate under government control.
Simoni makes a simple point which I thank him for. We are having this discussion because of your assertion that there must be something wrong because someone unknow has written something derogatory about us on a blog page. When having pointed out that this comes from someone who dare not represent themselves in public, rather than acknowledge your selectivity, you change tack to launch a barrage of questions.
Once more you bang on about us " building a business and receiving support" in spite of me telling you that's not how it works. You then reach out in all directions in an effort to find something wrong.
We aren't obliged to answer to you. As far as I'm concerned we have done no wrong, only attempted to make a difference from our own resources. We are bound by rules of business and you have every right to contact authorities if you believe there's some wrongdoing. Otherwise you are simply replicating the efforts of a lunatic in Kharkiv who discredits himself with his continous assaults under a multitude of identities.
Terry isn't going to help your investigations, he doesn't have to, neither do I.
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Jeff,
Where is the $1.2 billion coming from to build the WiMAX network?
Will you have an attempt at replying to my post regarding viability?
Kuna
Jeff Mowatt « Reply #25 on: May 11, 2007, 01:49:19 AM » Quote
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Kuna, It's very easy to dismiss something based on arguments such as "It won't work". That's precisely what one deals with from your anonymous countryman. However I do my homework and I ask you therefore. Who should I believe. someone who introduces himself in the way you have on a discussion forum or a representative of one of the world's largest networking specialists (below).
Michal Kraut (mkraut)"
Piotr, Jeff
INFRASTRUCTURE FOR VILLAGE
Wireless Mesh connection would be best suited for application
described below. Assuming 100 or less inhabitants we make
also an assumption of size of village (in km/miles) which is small
of course.
We can position there two solutions
1/ Traditional 802.11 solution which may be sufficient for now
but may represent limitations which will be visible in a future
and may increase installation costs now
2/ Wireless mesh which have a lot automated functions and
is better choice (self configuring backhoul links, auto reconfiguration
in case of lost connection to one of neighbor Access Points)
In a scenario on a drawing we will also need a router to connect
village to external networks (internet), to perform address translation
(to fit all IP addressing regulations). Same router can be a firewall
protecting users from attacks from outside, same router can also
control wireless mesh network (one point of management).
So as You see a technical solution of village is relatively simple.
CONNECTION TO EXTERNAL NETWORKS
I also agree that for so small local comunities VSAT would be the
best choice (I'm sure that "the best" could be replaced with "the only"
in many cases).
Wimax may be a choice when vendors will have a products which
will comply with Wimax standard (established in Nov 2005), and
Service Providers will build an infrastructure to offer appropriate
service. Assuming 6+ months of product development and another
6+ months for Wimax project deployment (SP) we can expect
Wimax offer available in Q4CY05 (maybe late Q3).
So we have to ask ourselves what's timeframe of discussed project
then decide if we can consider Wimax as an option or not.
COMMENTS
Please feel free to comment on proposal given above.
Rgds
Michal
WmGo« Reply #26 on: May 11, 2007, 11:51:19 AM » Quote
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Mr. Mowatt,
I apologize for saying that I think you are a lazy bum. That was premature judgment on my part for which I apologize.
I otherwise stand on all other comments and observations that I have made.......... and add this........it is odd that you claim to be so concerned for Ukraine's orphans but you now state that you/your "group" has no charitable activities...........that your's is just some kind of "social enterprise".......whatever the heck that is..........sounds like nothing more than some highminded self important internet chatter group made up of two or three peoples pulling some kind of snow job..........
ScottInCrimea « Reply #27 on: May 11, 2007, 01:01:54 PM » Quote
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Jeff, I'll let Kuna comment on the viability of the proposed project as he knows much better than I.
As for your response to me, first of all, Inci Bowman is a woman, not a man. This goes to the heart of the issue I have presented, that you try to deflect, which is that you are unable to provide any references or credible backing for your project.
On a personal level, your associate claims that his Crimea project was sidetracked by corruption and mentions the Minister of Economics. This minister just happens to be a very close personal friend and she is as honest as they come. Any claims by him to the contrary I know without a doubt to be lies.
Here are only a few of the quotes I have a problem with:
"The program is very similar to a program I proposed to the US White House for Tomsk five years ago, and which has been up and running very successfully for the past four years."
According to all sources checked, there is no record of his having been involved with this project.
"President Clinton usually listened to my ideas, so I felt that if I came up with a good idea for a development project, he would help get it done. That’s how the Tomsk project came about."
The truth is he has never met or even spoken to President Clinton.
For those of you who haven't the time to do research, let me give you a brief overview of this business plan and Jeff can comment if he chooses:
Their primary goal is to develop an IP network in Ukraine as a profit making enterprise. They don't have the funds to do this so they are seeking ways to convince third parties to provide the funding, particularly government sources such as US-AID. Any claims to the contrary are false as they specifically mention government funding in their discussions and they don't have the private resources to do what they claim. In order to convince any organization to invest in their endeavor, they need to do two things. First they have to find some worthy charitable cause as the reason for seeking these funds. Since TN lived for a short time in Simferopol, he chose the plight of the Crimean Tatars. The concept was to give a portion of their profits to a fund that would provide micro loans to build small businesses. Of course, the rest of the profit would be theirs to keep and they purposely were avoiding establishing the company as a charitable or non-profit organization so only they would have control over the cash flow. After they alienated the Tatars, they moved on to the Ukrainian orphans,exaggerating their plight and hoping to pull at a few heart strings. Their concept is to create and fund group homes for the orphans. To drive this idea, they made the pitch that the orphanages were hell holes and death camps with children dying of starvation and others digging the graves for them. Second, they have to convince them that they have the credentials, expertise, government connections and integrity to be worthy of the investment. To accomplish this they have written papers, op-ed pieces, sought interviews, taken credit for contacts they don't have and projects they haven't been involved in, created an international development group of which they are the only members and conducted conversations with themselves on various forums to get their points out there. Any time anyone catches on to what they are doing they either claim that they are not understood or that there is a conspiracy against them. Like with me, any requests for specifics or answers to questions or concerns are brushed off.
I have a personal policy that I follow. If at any time I find that a person tells a lie or in any other way intentionally decieves me, I can conclude that this person is a liar. Once that is established it is not necessary to disprove everything they say point by point.
I have read the blog that you refer to and rather than take it at face value I objectively checked out every claim made there and found it to be accurate. Here's the link for those of you who want to do some interesting reading:
http://www.p-ced.blogspot.com
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false in part, false in whole. A good principle to live by. This poster I think should have been discounted ages ago.
But- to each his own. . . .
Is that you, Monica?
Wayne B Reply « #29 on: May 11, 2007, 07:19:53 PM » Quote
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I need ya'll to help me.......sale some 'Ocean front property'.....in Arizona.....
I/O « Reply #30 on: May 11, 2007, 09:08:28 PM » Quote
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Quote from: William3rd on May 11, 2007, 02:21:12 PM
This poster I think should have been discounted ages ago. Is that you, Monica?
William: Funny you should say that, I think I indicated something like that with a serious of questions marks in another thread a day or two ago. Since then I have seen nothing but "Cyber Shell Games" and really nothing makes much sense.
I understand the "Projected Rationale" of the so called project and as the author says, those who don't know detail will often summarily dismiss something in a blast of negatives, BUT BUT BUT BUT, hey there is a few guys here who are pretty "Street Sharp" and the old adage applies, if it looks like schite, smells like schite then there is every chance it is schite.
Mr whatevertheauthorsnameis, I forget now, I put it to you that your recent posts here have had little if anything relevant to add to the real ethos of this board, you have been unable to answer "Viability" questions from someone who DOES know there stuff on the subject, you have claimed to be unable to reveal details which are supposedly "Commerically In Confidence", you or your partners claimed connections don't check out (So Far) your partners or whosever it was claimed marriage that you explain as a "Common Law" marriage is BS because there is no such thing in Russia or Ukraine, either they are legally married, married within the Church or both, or they are simply "Shacked up" together which seems to be/been the case.
The litany of smoke and mirrors or shell games has and is giving no credability to your claims, project or person whatsoever. You are simply leaving yourself open to being shot to the floor as you will ulitmately be by any investor including Government departments.
I further put it to you that you have perhaps exhausted many possabilities to spruke your yarn and have resorted to a forum which is not relevant to your pursuit in order to gain some audience.
As I said before, if it smells like schite, looks like schite then it is a pretty safe assumtion that it is schite. I can't speak for all here, but I can speak for myself and in doing so I'd suggest, in fact I implore you to clear off and peddle your nonsense someplace else. You neither have the money or the substance to get this so called project off the ground. There is quite a few among us here collectively who probably do and if you were hoping to get some sympathy cash out of a few people, you are pissing on the wrong tree. It ain't gunna happen.
Clear off and polute some other piece of cyber space or in a half dozen lines get some fact out here and demonstrate how in the hell it relates to this board.
I/O
William3rd « Reply #31 on: May 11, 2007, 11:33:29 PM » Quote
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His other thread sold me on the suspect nature of anything that he posts. If I find something false, I seldom read further or listen or respond to future adventure/opinions/missives/docudramsa/etc.
I/O « Reply #32 on: May 12, 2007, 01:17:19 AM » Quote
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Quote from: William3rd on May 11, 2007, 11:33:29 PM
His other thread sold me on the suspect nature of anything that he posts. If I find something false, I seldom read further or listen or respond to future adventure/opinions/missives/docudramsa/etc.
Khap.
I/O
Kuna « Reply #33 on: May 12, 2007, 04:55:27 AM » Quote
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Quote from: Jeff Mowatt on May 11, 2007, 01:49:19 AM
Kuna, It's very easy to dismiss something based on arguments such as "It won't work". That's precisely what one deals with from your anonymous countryman. However I do my homework and I ask you therefore. Who should I believe. someone who introduces himself in the way you have on a discussion forum or a representative of one of the world's largest networking specialists (below).
Michal Kraut (mkraut)"
Piotr, Jeff
INFRASTRUCTURE FOR VILLAGE
Wireless Mesh connection would be best suited for application
described below. Assuming 100 or less inhabitants we make
also an assumption of size of village (in km/miles) which is small
of course.
We can position there two solutions
1/ Traditional 802.11 solution which may be sufficient for now
but may represent limitations which will be visible in a future
and may increase installation costs now
2/ Wireless mesh which have a lot automated functions and
is better choice (self configuring backhoul links, auto reconfiguration
in case of lost connection to one of neighbor Access Points)
In a scenario on a drawing we will also need a router to connect
village to external networks (internet), to perform address translation
(to fit all IP addressing regulations). Same router can be a firewall
protecting users from attacks from outside, same router can also
control wireless mesh network (one point of management).
So as You see a technical solution of village is relatively simple.
CONNECTION TO EXTERNAL NETWORKS
I also agree that for so small local comunities VSAT would be the
best choice (I'm sure that "the best" could be replaced with "the only"
in many cases).
Wimax may be a choice when vendors will have a products which
will comply with Wimax standard (established in Nov 2005), and
Service Providers will build an infrastructure to offer appropriate
service. Assuming 6+ months of product development and another
6+ months for Wimax project deployment (SP) we can expect
Wimax offer available in Q4CY05 (maybe late Q3).
So we have to ask ourselves what's timeframe of discussed project
then decide if we can consider Wimax as an option or not.
COMMENTS
Please feel free to comment on proposal given above.
Rgds
Michal
Jeff,
The email above does nothing to suggest your scheme is commercially viable. I know Cisco very well and they'll be willing to sell you as much hardware as you want. What they can't do is solve the issues of backhauling your data at a reasonable rate, alleviating the issues of contention ratios on public networks designed like this and the cost and complexity of breakfix maintenance.
The network described isn't even WiMAX... it's WiFi. The number of access points needed to provide such coverage is mindboggling and you still won't be able to provide service to anyone who lives more than 100 metres from their neighbours without building new structures or using antennas that would breach common wireless management standards.
Let me give you an example of a very similar scheme in Far North Queensland. Communities up there received a government grant of $100 million to provide broadband to 14 communities. The concept was to sell services to fund the operating costs and eventually provide services to communities on a costs neutral basis.
Yes, technically the network was deployed... yes it's operating right now. No it isn't returning enough revenue to cover operating and maintenance costs. The costs are just prohibitive!
I know your spreadsheets will show very handsome profits but I promise you it's not going to run like you think.
You might be an optimist. I'm just a realist. There's lots of things you can try to convince youself of but you'll never convince me you'll return a $700 million profit on a $1.2 billion investment in new age telco services.
Kuna
BC « Reply #34 on: May 12, 2007, 05:49:03 AM » Quote
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Goes back to that old saying..
'If it's so easy to do, everyone would be doing it'
Dabbled a bit in wireless.. good results can rarely be achieved within government eirp (transmission power) and antenna regulations. Governments everywhere seem to be limiting the market so that they might later be able to license the bands to big players at higher power (esp WIMAX) where even 1.2 B is chump change.
There are a lot of 'eyes' on this market and any competition will report you in a flash for exceeding band/power limitations.
Work with folks in Ukraine and competition reportedly fierce for broadband.. to the point of cutting cables and other destructive measures. Could easily see rooftop transmitters being stolen, towers torn down overnight for scrap metal etc etc.. any unprotected equipment in the field is vulnerable. Ever heard of power lines being cut to sell as scrap copper?.. I have..
Wouldn't even consider investing in such with these conditions.
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/Forum/index.php?topic=4687.30
Update
Mr Mowatt's responce recently published (July 23, 2007) on the internet charectorises those who took the time to review teh claims by Mr Mowatt and his associate Terry Hallman...
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"They are mostly American mail order bride seekers, the dumber kind who have very little knowledge of the territory, little political interest or social awareness."
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I guess that make Mr Mowatt a intelegent british bride hunter. Where does that leave Tery Hallman another Amerocan bride hunter on the loose...
Thursday, May 10, 2007
Spruking his war story
The following is an edited extract from a recent post/discussion submitted in a discussion forum by Jeff Mowatt on May the 8th, 2007... The post prompted a considered independent review of Jeff Mowatt and terry Hallman's Business activities. Their independent review came to similar conlusions as we did in our review (no surprise there) what the review did provide was more question and expose of some of the lies and decites that surround Mr Mowatt's business/social activties. ...
May 8, 2007
Jeff Mowatt (May 08, 2007, 11:47:14 AM)
OK, let me try to make it clearer.Though this wasn't the beginning, all hell broke loose when we released this story below. We'd gained the trust of the leading citizens activist network in Ukraine who gave us editorial permissions on their English language portal:
http://eng.maidanua.org/node/581 (Ed: A forum that Mr Hallman is a moderator)
As you probably know there's a political battle going on in Ukraine right now, with oligarchic interests wanting to retain control and the status quo at all costs. Many people don't want a story like this to be told, though Maiden still backs us up as you can see from its continued existence there. There are some good people who don't want it know fearing for their own humanitarian efforts and being excluded, others with personal interests in adoption and a darker contingent who find it politically threatening.
Contributer #1 « Reply #10 on: May 09, 2007, 06:44:20 PM »
There is a bit of a hidden agenda going on here, guys. I did some research and learned some interesting things about Jeff and his associate, whose initials are TH.You may want to check out a couple of sites, including a thread in For-UA.com and the following link: http://www.publiuspundit.com/wp/index.php/?p=444Bear in mind that his business associate runs the Maidan website when you read his link.
Contributer #2 « Reply #11 on: May 09, 2007, 08:38:20 PM
Good grief!Nice detective work #12 .... now we can all get back to the real intent of participating (In the forum)
Jeff Mowatt « Reply #12 on: May 10, 2007, 04:46:29 AM »
Not really #11 , no detective work at all in fact in uncovering an instance of a smear campaign. Does this explain why the leading citizens rights group in Ukraine have not removed the report from their website? Yes, we have editorial permission to post there, but we cannot claim to be in personal control of the Orange Revolution.
Contributor #2 « Reply #13 on: May 10, 2007, 10:50:15 AM »
Errrr... Not really Jeff. I don't see what any of this has to do with (The topic of the forum) or discussion about the same.
Contributor #1 « Reply #14 on: May 10, 2007, 11:05:33 AM » to Jeff
Jeff, I have my own opinions about what is happening with you and your colleagues and I don't really think you would be happy to hear them. My point is that this is a board, as #13 wrote, whose purpose is the discussion of the pursuit, understanding of the topic under discussion in the forum. If you want to post about personal issues and your experience, comments and questions related to this, you are welcome here, but please don't attempt to bring a different agenda onto this board. There are plenty of other places for that.
Admin « Reply #14 on: May 10, 2007, 11:05:33 AM » to Jeff from adminsitrator
Jeff, Admittedly, I have not (and do not plan to) take the time to fully-appreciate the 'issue' you are raising.Please provide a condensed version - and, in particular, how it ties into the theme and mission of RWD.Thanks,- Dan
Jeff Mowatt « Reply #16 on: May 10, 2007, 11:31:39 AM »
Admin, Elsewhere in this forum I find threads which discuss the abuse of children and the economic circumstances which prevail in the former Soviet Union. Like many others here, I have participated in the search for a partner in this region and am as aware as most that these economic conditions are the primary motivation for Russian women to seek out a life overseas.
Perhaps this one is misplaced in this category, but I sought to describe the experience which led me from being there to take part in the "MOB" selection process, gain a deeper understanding of the social environment and commit myself to efforts that would bring about change and level the playing field.
If that's inappropriate, then by all means consider it off topic and remove the discussion.
Believe me, this is entirely about Russian, specifically Ukrainian women. It may be inappropriate in this section or not suit your interest, but it's about a human rights effort to improve conditions for Russian/Ukrainian women and children.
You've proclaimed "Great detective work" so you've been interested enough to comment but when presented with something which contradicts this, you don't want to know.
This isn't leisure for me, it's a full time effort in which all resources are directed, my business revenue and my time.
How I decide to spend that time is entirely my own concern and if it requires fending off allegations from "anonymous" detractors, then so be it. You aren't obliged to participate.
Admin « Reply #17 on: May 10, 2007, 11:42:22 AM »
Jeff, I think the concern is that (This forum) has just come through the experience of organized groups with agendas different from our own - worked to distract/derail the site. They sought to pursue their agendas and wanted to leverage the popularity built for their platform.
While there is *some* room for that - the concern is that we end up with a diminution of the mission of of teh fourm to cater to the agendas of others - and that is not healthy for the forum in the long-term.
I hope you see my point. This forum has the mission to be (and it is) the premier site for men to gather and share information about the pursuit of a life-partner from the FSU countries.
To the extent your agenda falls within that space, or is complementary, it is welcomed. If it is too far afield, then you will find the responsible members of RWD (like others siad) will rein in the discussions.
Jeff Mowatt « Reply #18 on: May 10, 2007, 12:05:58 PM »
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Dan, I understand and accept your point. I'm a seasoned participant in RW discussion groups going back to the old RWL group at St Johns and a moderator of many groups myself. I deal with precisely the same problems and sought only to describe experiences in a generalised form.
In doing so here, I've been asked to be specific and pointed to the source of the most difficult problem I've encounted to-date. I still have an active interest in RW discussions which extends to the work I've described already, a support group for the victims of Beslan a campaign for recognition of the Holodomor, a campaign to raise awareness of HIV prevention in Ukraine and support for the Nastenka fund for children with cancer in Russia. These are my declared interests, part of me and my experience arising from relationships with Russian women. I will desist from bringing them into discussion as advised. Jeff
Contributer #3 « Reply #19 on: May 10, 2007, 12:56:30 PM »
Jeff, I have my own opinions about what is happening with you and your colleagues and I don't really think you would be happy to hear them.
My point is that this is a board, as Kuna wrote, whose purpose is the discussion of the pursuit, understanding and love of Russian women. If you want to post about personal issues and your experience, comments and questions related to this, you are welcome here, but please don't attempt to bring a diffeent agenda onto this board. There are plenty of other places for that.
Agree totally...........but I want to add this: I have been waiting a couple of days to let all this sink in. Particularly after reading the maidan web link that this VERY ODD Jeff fellow posted about Ukrainian orphanages being some kind of naziisk death camps. I have been inside over two dozen orphanages in Ukraine delivering humanitarian and other aid. I have never seen anything remotely akin to what Mowatt's maidan aritcle suggests. Now I am sure that I have not been to the worst of the worst orphanages, but what I *have* seen is that the vast majority of Ukrainians working in these places are very serious and conscientious to do their best with limited resources. They keep the buildings immaculately clean and organized. They do their best to care for these kids. That is what I have seen with my own two eyes. I have friends that have been inside over one hundred Ukrainian orphanges delivering aid and that is also what their collective experiences have been, and yes we never provide out right cash aid because yes it is known that *some* administrators might put it in their pocket........but.....In the cases of severe retardation or deformity, yes it is a sad picture, but with limited resources it is never going to be an Alice in Wonderland scene........but to suggest that these orphanage workers are engaging in some type of Joseph Mengela death camp activity on a nation wide scale is outrageous and beyond the Pale. Now, I have seen in some documetaries someseverly retarded kids in a few Russian orphanages kept in cages.....one of the U.S. news shows like 60 Minutes or 20/20 had a show about that a few years ago....so there seem to be a few pockets of really bad orphanaaes in Russia, but I have never seen nor heard of any such places in Ukraine, nor does the maidan web link article OR THE PHOTOS prove or reflect any such activity..............FWIW.Now I agree with the others that this Mowatt fellow needs to take his political or whatever it is agenda somewhere else.............
Mr Mowatt's recent responce pubihsed on July 22, 2007
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They are mostly American mail order bride seekers, the dumber kind who have very little knowledge of the territory, little political interest or social awareness.
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