Friday, August 08, 2008

Terry Hallman the Wife hunter: The begining 1998

In our research we found this gem of a post going back to May 27 1998 when Terry Hallman first visited Russia and Ukraine looking for a wife. He is still looking.

Source: Yahoo Foreignbrides

To all,
I for one think the Russian wives list is a terrific idea! Obviously,
Foreign Brides is mainly geared for those on The Quest--that complex
maze of actually finding a suitable wife. Seems to me that it's a
testament to RW in general that their Western husbands are so
motivated to share AFTER the fact, which makes it that much more
encouraging to me in the searching stages. Also, the Russian wives
site should provide a specialized reference for those who need such
very specific info, without wading through vast quantities of
irrelevant information. The resultant archive should thus end up
being a very useful, handy reference guide. And during The Quest, it
can only be warmly reassuring to a potential bride for us to be able
to show that we have been thoughtful and consciencious enough to
consider well in advance the adjustment and cultural difficulties she
could have--and that we have already networked and prepared
accordingly! The Russian wives listserv can only help, and I think it
is one helluva good idea to do everything we can to make wives and
wives-to-be feel as safe, secure, and comfortable as is possible.
Toward that end, the Russian wives listserv sounds like a HUGE step in
a very good direction for all concerned. Win-Win for all. Works for
me.
Best,
Terry H.

I decided awhile back to search for a wife abroad and opted for the
Web as the obvious means of making at least initial contact. My
biggest concern has been how to protect myself from being fleeced for
cash or cheated in some other way. And a great deal of time is still
devoted to that personal concern: how do I minimize the chances of
getting burned, knowing well that single, searching, and lonely hearts
are very easy to take advantage of. Thus my insistence on keeping a
firm (albeit sometimes unromantic) grip on reality. With all due
caution taken to protect myself, I've focused on networking with
others toward that end. I know it is a concern we all share. Having
read the GQ article, and following it with further readings on the
general topic of mail-order brides, one thing comes to fore that
really bothers me. In my own zeal, which I'm sure is common among
most who are on The Quest, I forgot about what it might be like for
the women around the world who take their chances in the marriage
market (so to speak...) While the GQ article chronicles systematic
abuse of innocent young women brought into the States by one man, one
can only wonder how widespread this is. Like it or not, just by being
on The Quest for a foreign bride we are creating growth in a very
fast-growing industry. And this industry seems to pose a much greater
threat to hopeful young women than it does to those of us who seek
them out. So now I'm feeling a bit guilty because I did not even
think of what the risks are for these women, nor how big those risks
really are! Which brings me to the question: do you think those of us
who participate in this industry--where real people, real feelings,
real lives are being intimately affected--have any responsibility to
somehow try to keep it safe? If so, just for ourselves? Or are we
obliged to seek to protect these vulnerable young women in general as
well?

Terry H.
May 28
1998

To all,
I thought it will be useful to provide some perspective here about the
why's and wherefore's for this mail list.

There does not seem to be any other place to freely exchange ANY and
ALL sorts of info related to finding foreign brides in general, and
women from the former Soveit Union (FSU) in particular. It is the
latter that was the primary driving force for starting this list
service. I was frankly a little surprised to catch heat from the
moderators of the previous listserv for asking what I thought were
perfectly legitimate questions about the operations of a major-league
intro agency. One of the moderators seriously flamed me privately and
ridiculed me publicly for doing so. I got the clear impression that
some questions are better left unasked. So it seems that to a limited
degree, the first list service is fine for Q and A, but just don't get
into anybody else's business in depth--even if their business is
introducing people for the purpose of marriage. In other words, don't
ask the HARD questions.

The probing questions are most useful. It's all fine and good to know
the nuances of handling visas, the differences in doing so from
country to country, and hundreds of other little details that are
necessarily associated with finding and marrying a foreign woman. In
fact, these details are invaluable, and I hope they are included here
also. But those details don't matter until and unless we have
actually MET someone, in some manner, for whom and with whom such
preparations are needed. This means using information from one agency
or another to make the initial and perhaps even ongoing contacts. And
that part of it has by and large been a shot in the dark, with time
alone telling if a given route is bogus or not. Some of us have time
to waste like that, even money. Some don't, or prefer not to. It's
frustrating and inefficient, to say the least. So, just share info as
we go along. Who's doing what? Where's the good news? Where's the bad
news? Who's honest? Who's scamming? Who's someplace in between?

That's why this is here. Complete information. Just please keep in
honest, and we hopefully will be able to separate fact from
fantasy/fiction. There are without doubt many lovely women who will
make the best of wives. Sorting through the BS to find them,
regardless of the nature of questions that need to asked, is a crucial
function. It is this function which I hope this list well be able to
serve well.

Also, please note that discussions and information need NOT be limited
to any one geographic women. Feel free to share info on Asian, Latin,
and/or any regions and cultures you wish. This is meant to be as open
as possible in all respects, with the sole purpose being to help each
other as much as possible in finding that special woman whom will
eventually become our wife--no matter WHERE she is!!!

That's it for now. Here we go. Let The Quest ... continue!!

Best to all,
Terry Hallman



Tue Jul 10, 2001 12:07 am

New web site -- Ukraianian women

For those of you who might be interested in Ukrainian
women, I've just finished a web site (pro bono, I'm
not getting paid for this) at
http://www.ukrainian-beauty.com/

The owner is a nice Ukrainian lady who tried to do it
on her own. She was having some problems with it,
someone I know referred it to me, and I decided to
help her out and build the site for her.

For those interested in Russian and Ukrainian women
and travel to those countries to meet them, I can
probably answer a lot of questions. I'm American, in
case in matters, and spend a lot of time in Russia.
Maybe now I'll also go to Ukraine ;-)


Below is a full list of Terry Hallman's most inner thoughts on tghe forum in his search for a Russian/Ukrainian bride.,  This is the real reason he visited Russia and Ukraine.  Over ten years living in the region and he could only speak the most basic Russian.Ukrainain.  He never did find a wife.


Subject Author Date
183 Re: [foreignbrides] How do you cancel this subscription?
To unsubscribe, send a message to foreignbrides-unsubscribe@... (The instructions are on the group home page at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/foreignbrides) --- Michael Poulin wrote: > How do you cancel this subscription? > ----- Original Message...
T Hallman
thallman@...
Aug 24, 2001
10:26 pm
164 New web site -- Ukraianian women
For those of you who might be interested in Ukrainian women, I've just finished a web site (pro bono, I'm not getting paid for this) at http://www.ukrainian-beauty.com/ The owner is a nice Ukrainian lady who tried to do it on her own. She was having some...
T Hallman
thallman@...
Jul 9, 2001
5:07 pm
143 Re: [foreignbrides] Latin Love Mates!
Hi John, I don't know anything about them, but they're based in Miami so you could call the Better Business Bureau there to check if there are any complaints. You can also contact the company and ask for a few references. With any agency, no matter which...
T Hallman
thallman@...
May 19, 2001
11:17 pm
140 Re: [foreignbrides] List Dead?
...Could you please take my name off your e-mail list ? > > Thanks in advance, > wmb3446@... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "T Hallman" > To: > Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 8:30 PM > Subject: Re: [foreignbrides] List Dead? > > > > No, the list isn't dead, but yes...
T Hallman
thallman@...
Apr 29, 2001
10:46 pm
139 Re: [foreignbrides] List Dead?
Could you please take my name off your e-mail list ? Thanks in advance, wmb3446@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "T Hallman" To: Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 8:30 PM Subject: Re: [foreignbrides] List Dead? > No, the list isn't dead, but yes, little activity...
Bill Buehler
wmb3446@...
Apr 29, 2001
7:54 pm
138 Re: [foreignbrides] List Dead?
No, the list isn't dead, but yes, little activity. I haven't had much time to promote it because I've been in Russia. Anything anyone wants to know about Russian women etc., just ask. Maybe some other list members can give input about women from other...
T Hallman
thallman@...
Apr 29, 2001
6:30 pm
34 [foreignbrides] Congrats to Roger -- and other info and Q's
...goal is to make the travel part as easy as possible, so you can focus on what you're actually making the trip for. Terry Hallman (foreign brides list moderator) ____________________________________________________ ---Malcolm60@... wrote: Joe, Just...
Terry Hallman
thallman@...
Jan 5, 1999
7:42 pm
28 [foreignbrides] Re: International Marriage Agency--Vi
Hi Paul, The U.S. mirror for Laura's site is still active, at http://208.241.152.13/tomsk/laura/ It was updated about a two weeks ago. Good luck! Terry ________________________________________________ ---Paul Wierzbicki wrote: Gentlemen: > A few days ago...
Terry Hallman
thallman@...
Dec 21, 1998
12:11 pm
24 Re: [foreignbrides] How some of us come across to RW?
Barry, She's actually a bit on the shy side, and so is very hesitant to "talk" with so many new people. But, I expect her irrepressible curiosity will come to the fore and she will eventually decide on at least some occasional involvement. I hope so...
Terry Hallman
thallman@...
Jul 23, 1998
1:31 pm
22 Re: [foreignbrides] How some of us come across to RW?
Barry, Indeed I will pass along your compliments. I've asked her if she'd like to join the list on a regular basis--she has made my day more times than I can even remember with her humor. She just now asked if she should copyright what I sent. These...
Terry Hallman
thallman@...
Jul 22, 1998
11:04 am
20 [foreignbrides] How some of us come across to RW?
To All, Thought you might enjoy and benefit from how some of us come across to some RW. This is excerpted from correspondence with a young lady friend in Russia who will remain anonymous. Most of the names herein have also been omitted...
Terry Hallman
thallman@...
Jul 21, 1998
11:58 pm
19 [foreignbrides] PROBLEM OF WHITE SLAVERY...
Gentlemen, I am forwarding to you in full what appears to be a nearly hopeless cry from the proverbial wilderness. Make of it what you will. The original can be found at http://www.brama.com/issues/havrylenko.html [Also of interest along the same line is...
Terry Hallman
thallman@...
Jun 9, 1998
11:18 am
18 [foreignbrides] International Marriage Agency--Vinnitsa, Ukraine
Gentlemen: A few days ago, I received the following email: (...start...) To: thallman@... Organization: Laura From: "Larisa V. Tkach" Date: Tue, 26 May 98 12:43:16 +0200 Subject:from Laura Dear Terry, International marriage agency "LAURA" wishes you a...
Terry Hallman
thallman@...
May 30, 1998
1:00 am
14 [foreignbrides] Request for feedback, comments
The June issue of GQ magazine includes an article about mail-order brides. The article focuses on one particular case in Texas about a man (now in prison) who met and married several foreign women only to have them die mysteriously or disappear. With that...
Terry Hallman
thallman@...
May 28, 1998
7:02 pm
13 Re: [foreignbrides] Salute to the NEW list
To all, I for one think the Russian wives list is a terrific idea! Obviously, Foreign Brides is mainly geared for those on The Quest--that complex maze of actually finding a suitable wife. Seems to me that it's a testament to RW in general that their...
Terry Hallman
thallman@...
May 27, 1998
8:57 pm
12 Re: [foreignbrides] Salute to the NEW list
To all, I for one think the Russian wives list is a terrific idea! Obviously, Foreign Brides is mainly geared for those on The Quest--that complex maze of actually finding a suitable wife. Seems to me that it's a testament to RW in general that their...
Terry Hallman
thallman@...
May 27, 1998
8:57 pm
8 Re: [foreignbrides]
Robin, Your updates and postings re: your experiences with Encounters International should be very useful. Glad to hear interest and concern with posting substantive info! There are practically no restrictions on this site, so flamers may show up and flame...
Terry Hallman
thallman@...
May 27, 1998
5:54 pm
6 Re: [foreignbrides] This is the foreign brides email address
Barry, I'm going to be doing a bit of digging around tonight about that general region. I'll keep my eyes open for stuff that actually looks useful. Terry ---Barry Bruce wrote: > > Hi all, > Can anybody help me with info on Uzbekistan? Any and all info...
Terry Hallman
thallman@...
May 27, 1998
5:28 pm
3 [foreignbrides] This is the foreign brides email address
The foreign brides email address is foreignbrides@... I'm sending it through the FB listservice so all current subscribers will have a handy copy in their inbox for filing purposes. Best to all, Terry H...
Terry Hallman
thallman@...
May 27, 1998
1:16 pm
2 [foreignbrides] Introduction of the Foreign Brides mailing list service
...become our wife--no matter WHERE she is!!! That's it for now. Here we go. Let The Quest ... continue!! Best to all, Terry Hallman _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @... address at http://mail.yahoo...
Terry Hallman
thallman@...
May 26, 1998
11:24 pm
1 Welcome to the foreignbrides Mailing List
This list serves the information needs of men around the world who are seeking a foreign bride. The purpose of this information is to develop a base of solid, reliable information on ANY AND ALL issues relevant to the search for a foreign bride. It is...
Terry Hallman
newswire@...
May 26, 1998
8:43 pm