Spruking his war story

The following is an edited extract from a recent post/discussion submitted in a discussion forum by Jeff Mowatt on May the 8th, 2007... The post prompted a considered independent review of Jeff Mowatt and terry Hallman's Business activities. Their independent review came to similar conlusions as we did in our review (no surprise there) what the review did provide was more question and expose of some of the lies and decites that surround Mr Mowatt's business/social activties. ...

May 8, 2007

Jeff Mowatt (May 08, 2007, 11:47:14 AM)

OK, let me try to make it clearer.Though this wasn't the beginning, all hell broke loose when we released this story below. We'd gained the trust of the leading citizens activist network in Ukraine who gave us editorial permissions on their English language portal:
http://eng.maidanua.org/node/581 (Ed: A forum that Mr Hallman is a moderator)

As you probably know there's a political battle going on in Ukraine right now, with oligarchic interests wanting to retain control and the status quo at all costs. Many people don't want a story like this to be told, though Maiden still backs us up as you can see from its continued existence there. There are some good people who don't want it know fearing for their own humanitarian efforts and being excluded, others with personal interests in adoption and a darker contingent who find it politically threatening.


Contributer #1 « Reply #10 on: May 09, 2007, 06:44:20 PM »
There is a bit of a hidden agenda going on here, guys. I did some research and learned some interesting things about Jeff and his associate, whose initials are TH.You may want to check out a couple of sites, including a thread in For-UA.com and the following link: http://www.publiuspundit.com/wp/index.php/?p=444Bear in mind that his business associate runs the Maidan website when you read his link.

Contributer #2 « Reply #11 on: May 09, 2007, 08:38:20 PM
Good grief!Nice detective work #12 .... now we can all get back to the real intent of participating (In the forum)

Jeff Mowatt « Reply #12 on: May 10, 2007, 04:46:29 AM »
Not really #11 , no detective work at all in fact in uncovering an instance of a smear campaign. Does this explain why the leading citizens rights group in Ukraine have not removed the report from their website? Yes, we have editorial permission to post there, but we cannot claim to be in personal control of the Orange Revolution.

Contributor #2 « Reply #13 on: May 10, 2007, 10:50:15 AM »
Errrr... Not really Jeff. I don't see what any of this has to do with (The topic of the forum) or discussion about the same.


Contributor #1 « Reply #14 on: May 10, 2007, 11:05:33 AM » to Jeff
Jeff, I have my own opinions about what is happening with you and your colleagues and I don't really think you would be happy to hear them. My point is that this is a board, as #13 wrote, whose purpose is the discussion of the pursuit, understanding of the topic under discussion in the forum. If you want to post about personal issues and your experience, comments and questions related to this, you are welcome here, but please don't attempt to bring a different agenda onto this board. There are plenty of other places for that.

Admin « Reply #14 on: May 10, 2007, 11:05:33 AM » to Jeff from adminsitrator
Jeff, Admittedly, I have not (and do not plan to) take the time to fully-appreciate the 'issue' you are raising.Please provide a condensed version - and, in particular, how it ties into the theme and mission of RWD.Thanks,- Dan


Jeff Mowatt « Reply #16 on: May 10, 2007, 11:31:39 AM »
Admin, Elsewhere in this forum I find threads which discuss the abuse of children and the economic circumstances which prevail in the former Soviet Union. Like many others here, I have participated in the search for a partner in this region and am as aware as most that these economic conditions are the primary motivation for Russian women to seek out a life overseas.

Perhaps this one is misplaced in this category, but I sought to describe the experience which led me from being there to take part in the "MOB" selection process, gain a deeper understanding of the social environment and commit myself to efforts that would bring about change and level the playing field.

If that's inappropriate, then by all means consider it off topic and remove the discussion.

Believe me, this is entirely about Russian, specifically Ukrainian women. It may be inappropriate in this section or not suit your interest, but it's about a human rights effort to improve conditions for Russian/Ukrainian women and children.

You've proclaimed "Great detective work" so you've been interested enough to comment but when presented with something which contradicts this, you don't want to know.

This isn't leisure for me, it's a full time effort in which all resources are directed, my business revenue and my time.

How I decide to spend that time is entirely my own concern and if it requires fending off allegations from "anonymous" detractors, then so be it. You aren't obliged to participate.

Admin « Reply #17 on: May 10, 2007, 11:42:22 AM »
Jeff, I think the concern is that (This forum) has just come through the experience of organized groups with agendas different from our own - worked to distract/derail the site. They sought to pursue their agendas and wanted to leverage the popularity built for their platform.

While there is *some* room for that - the concern is that we end up with a diminution of the mission of of teh fourm to cater to the agendas of others - and that is not healthy for the forum in the long-term.

I hope you see my point. This forum has the mission to be (and it is) the premier site for men to gather and share information about the pursuit of a life-partner from the FSU countries.

To the extent your agenda falls within that space, or is complementary, it is welcomed. If it is too far afield, then you will find the responsible members of RWD (like others siad) will rein in the discussions.


Jeff Mowatt « Reply #18 on: May 10, 2007, 12:05:58 PM »
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Dan, I understand and accept your point. I'm a seasoned participant in RW discussion groups going back to the old RWL group at St Johns and a moderator of many groups myself. I deal with precisely the same problems and sought only to describe experiences in a generalised form.

In doing so here, I've been asked to be specific and pointed to the source of the most difficult problem I've encounted to-date. I still have an active interest in RW discussions which extends to the work I've described already, a support group for the victims of Beslan a campaign for recognition of the Holodomor, a campaign to raise awareness of HIV prevention in Ukraine and support for the Nastenka fund for children with cancer in Russia. These are my declared interests, part of me and my experience arising from relationships with Russian women. I will desist from bringing them into discussion as advised. Jeff


Contributer #3 « Reply #19 on: May 10, 2007, 12:56:30 PM »
Jeff, I have my own opinions about what is happening with you and your colleagues and I don't really think you would be happy to hear them.

My point is that this is a board, as Kuna wrote, whose purpose is the discussion of the pursuit, understanding and love of Russian women. If you want to post about personal issues and your experience, comments and questions related to this, you are welcome here, but please don't attempt to bring a diffeent agenda onto this board. There are plenty of other places for that.

Agree totally...........but I want to add this: I have been waiting a couple of days to let all this sink in. Particularly after reading the maidan web link that this VERY ODD Jeff fellow posted about Ukrainian orphanages being some kind of naziisk death camps. I have been inside over two dozen orphanages in Ukraine delivering humanitarian and other aid. I have never seen anything remotely akin to what Mowatt's maidan aritcle suggests. Now I am sure that I have not been to the worst of the worst orphanages, but what I *have* seen is that the vast majority of Ukrainians working in these places are very serious and conscientious to do their best with limited resources. They keep the buildings immaculately clean and organized. They do their best to care for these kids. That is what I have seen with my own two eyes. I have friends that have been inside over one hundred Ukrainian orphanges delivering aid and that is also what their collective experiences have been, and yes we never provide out right cash aid because yes it is known that *some* administrators might put it in their pocket........but.....In the cases of severe retardation or deformity, yes it is a sad picture, but with limited resources it is never going to be an Alice in Wonderland scene........but to suggest that these orphanage workers are engaging in some type of Joseph Mengela death camp activity on a nation wide scale is outrageous and beyond the Pale. Now, I have seen in some documetaries someseverly retarded kids in a few Russian orphanages kept in cages.....one of the U.S. news shows like 60 Minutes or 20/20 had a show about that a few years ago....so there seem to be a few pockets of really bad orphanaaes in Russia, but I have never seen nor heard of any such places in Ukraine, nor does the maidan web link article OR THE PHOTOS prove or reflect any such activity..............FWIW.Now I agree with the others that this Mowatt fellow needs to take his political or whatever it is agenda somewhere else.............

Mr Mowatt's recent responce pubihsed on July 22, 2007

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They are mostly American mail order bride seekers, the dumber kind who have very little knowledge of the territory, little political interest or social awareness.

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